tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4834395892091327520.post5458971809352195805..comments2023-12-10T08:09:17.786+00:00Comments on Large blooming flower: In, out, in, out...Jennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08027942517258679266noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4834395892091327520.post-45672537073699491792016-06-02T10:04:45.315+01:002016-06-02T10:04:45.315+01:00Where I stand is not important (In but changes nee...Where I stand is not important (In but changes needed), but it seems to me that the debate has simply consisted of men in grey suits shouting at each otherPaulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12577631984995202146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4834395892091327520.post-49145975679166360952016-05-31T19:42:33.811+01:002016-05-31T19:42:33.811+01:00Perhaps my pessimistic view that we're screwed...Perhaps my pessimistic view that we're screwed either way leaves me covered for all eventualities :)<br /><br />Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08027942517258679266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4834395892091327520.post-17983912139656355272016-05-26T15:51:43.857+01:002016-05-26T15:51:43.857+01:00Seeing as I live my life based on the EU I would f...Seeing as I live my life based on the EU I would firmly be in the In camp (if the government would actually let me vote in something which has a great deal to do with me, which they won't... The life of an expat!) As it is I expect to be Dutch before the year is out. Then I just have to go through the same xenophobic discussion again! (But hopefully have a voice in that one at least!)<br /><br />Outside of the obvious impact on my life, I'm mildly in the 'In' crowd. I think that the Stay gang are over egging the fear, which is a shame as it actually means they are missing the chance to make their case (not that it would help I suppose, the brexit crowd I see on Facebook and in the news are opening xenophobic, racist and anti-knowledge based - that alone scares me like hell for the future!). As for the Brexit group, I just can't believe how fashionable it has become to be a brash, xenophobic, lying (I believe that Boris is actually using lies he came up with whilst he was a journalist to support his case).<br /><br />I fear for the UK if they leave though. Through the EU workings rights in the UK have improved considerably. Seeing as the havoc Cameron has managed to unleash on the less well off classes since he came to power (whilst making life ever better for the well off), if those workers rights are removed then I really do believe that it is going to be less than pleasant to live there in the future.<br /><br />Stace<br /><br />PS But what I find funny is that somehow the brexit group have managed to convince a lot of people that by leaving the EU they also leave the Euro Court of Human Rights. Which not only predates the EU, but was set up (at least in part) by the UK and would not be affected as far as I can tell by leaving. Oh, and that by allowing governments and lobbyists to ride rough shot over them is somehow a good idea. I have the idea that a lot of people only think human rights are a good idea when theirs are being trampled on...Stacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07907346657510908857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4834395892091327520.post-56539721054982975302016-05-26T12:19:46.242+01:002016-05-26T12:19:46.242+01:00I think we share much the same stance here, Jenny....I think we share much the same stance here, Jenny. <br /><br />I don't think that Europe is yet a sinking ship, but it's not being well-navigated and sensible passengers are not being idiotic if they wish to disembark while they can. I intensely dislike the manner and style of the chief Brexit spokespersons, and do not want to be associated with them, but nevertheless I am visualising putting an X in the 'leave' box on the ballot paper. <br /><br />In any case, being independent, being creative and imaginative about how to run my own affairs, and being free from interference, are all things that are fundamental to my take on life. So Brexit is actually an appealing concept. <br /><br />I think we would be OK - and be able to preserve and safeguard what makes this country a great place to live in. A place apart maybe, but we've always been the odd one out in Europe. The different one. Why change?<br /><br />Lucy<br /><br /> Lucy Melfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03124557363335770051noreply@blogger.com